My guest today, Scott Payne, spent more than two decades working with some of the most notorious biker gangs, illegal drug operations, and neo-Nazis. And, it would be hard to even imagine some of the things he’s seen and experienced in his decades-long career as an FBI Special Agent.
Today, Scott and I talk about what it takes to be a successful undercover agent, the lines that get blurred when working with some of the most dangerous criminals in the world, how to keep your cool under pressure (including the time a notorious biker gang stripped him in a basement to search him for the wire he was wearing at the time), and how a man transitions back into his ordinary life after one of the most dangerous jobs he could do.
Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent with a distinguished 28-year career in law enforcement. Throughout his tenure, he led investigations targeting drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle clubs, gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorists. Beyond investigative work, Payne served as a SWAT team operator and was an instructor in firearms, tactics, and undercover operations.
His extensive undercover experience includes infiltrating dangerous groups such as The Outlaws motorcycle gang and white supremacist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and The Base.
In his new book, Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis, he details his undercover missions within America's extremist underworld and unpacks the psychological toll of undercover work, as well as the pressing threats posed by domestic terrorism.
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