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September 2, 2025

LARRY HAGNER | The "Dad Drift" and How to Beat It

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Over time, it’s likely that you have drifted off course. Like a boat without a navigator, it’s easy to let the current of reality, overwhelm, and frustration take you off course. My guest today, Larry Hagner has been a father for over two decades and knows firsthand what the drift looks like as a dad and how to steer yourself back on course.

Today, we talk about staying awake and vigilant when it comes to leading your wife and kids, the first “domino” to fall before things go horribly wrong, how to get your wife back on course if she starts to drift, in what ways do you become lethargic, monotonous, and bland in your life (and, what to do about it), and learning to build “conversations of curiosity.”

LARRY HAGNER

Larry Hagner is the founder of The Dad Edge - a powerful platform aimed at equipping men to be intentional, present, and effective fathers. Growing up without a reliable father figure, Larry turned his formative struggles into fuel—committing himself to becoming the dad he never had. Since launching The Dad Edge Podcast in 2015, he’s interviewed hundreds of experts on parenting, mindset, communication, faith, and leadership, building a global community of men dedicated to living legendary lives. Larry is also a bestselling author—his previous works include The Dad’s Edge, The Spirit of Fatherhood, Daddy Will Always Love and Protect You, and Screen Time: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

His newest book is The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood: Break Old Patterns and Create an Epic Legacy as a Father and Husband. In this raw, real-life playbook, Larry distills the essential skills and mindset shifts that distinguish legendary fathers from average ones. He offers actionable tools to stop drifting through family life, build deep connection through clear communication and daily habits, and lead with quiet strength and vision.

DIVORCE, NOT DEATH

Divorce may seem like the end, but it isn’t. And any man who has navigated a divorce can attest to that. But how do you navigate a divorce successfully? What does that even mean?

Whether you were blindsided or initiated the divorce, I’d have you consider that the path to redemption in your life is just a formula with a whole lot of variables in the equation. And that’s okay. Like any math problems, you just must solve the problem in the Order of Operations (remember that from math? PEMDAS). Well, there is an Order of Operations for navigating your divorce too. And, we’re going to teach it to you, from managing your money, protecting your rights as a father, to getting right in the head and heart, to living life as a single-father, and, at some point, dating again.

If you know the Order of Operations, you too can navigate the most difficult time in your life with as little adversity as possible.

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